AWAKE: The Third Testament!

27 12 2007

Russell Hamner (russel69842@peoplepc.com) left a comment on the Submissions page, which is frowned upon, but I decided to delete it from that location and make a post out of it.  So, here it is, unabridged and unedited:

I’ve been reading your entries and arguments and i would ask you to consider this: Man does not fully understand the bible. Therefore when you say “Religion” you are speaking of what is understood to this point, and if you base your conclusions on something that is not fully understood, your argument, it is fatally flawed. In 2008 you will see the pure science of God, how it established the United States, How it solves political science, how it solves social science, how it solves economics, and meets every human need. Then you can make your argument, Are you Watching?

AWAKE: The Third Testament!

So, what the fuck is he talking about?  I did some research and found that “The Third Testament” is a book by this man:

Martinus Thomsen (1890 – 1981) was a Danish dairy worker who at the age of 31 went trough a strong mental light experience, in form of a revelation, but which – according to himself – stood under his stir consciousness and intellectual control. This experience involved a permanent change of Martinus’ awareness, in form of a powerful increase in his ability to love, his intelligence and intuition.

Martinus announced that he had gained access to knowledge that was cosmic, in the meaning limitless. During the rest of his life Martinus worked actively as a writer, symbol drawer and speaker. When he died at 90 years of age, he left a work which in the end of his life got the name The Third Testament. This consists of around 40 books, including the main work Livets bog (The Book of Life) in 7 volumes and approximately 3000 pages; some of it translated and published in English. As the name Third Testamentsuggests, Martinus means that his books is a continuation of the Bible, meant for humane people with an scientific outlook, who sympathize with Jesus message of love but can not be inspired by religion or dogmas.

Not that that clears anything up.  If you wish to, you can read all about it at http://www.thirdtestament.com/.  It’s some amusing stuff.

So, back to Mr. Hamner – I am going to go ahead and assume that you are not aware of the fact that you are involved in something that can best be described as a cult.  While I appreciate you taking the time to read and comment on my blog, I would stress that all those who comment try to provide at least some evidence for any broad accusations and predictions they make – otherwise – you will never actually change anyone’s mind.  Of course if you can’t do that because what you believe simply has no evidence, than I suggest you take some time to reconsider what you believe and why.  If you insist on holding your beliefs despite the lack of logic that went into them, then I have some excellent elephant repellent that I’d love to sell you.

So yes, Mr. Hamner – I’ll be watching in 2008.  I’d be interested to hear more from you, both now, and in 2009.

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15 responses

28 12 2007
alex j. flex

Thanks for this post, and wish you good luck!

3 09 2008
Russell Hamner

Hello

Man you got it all wrong awake the third tetsament is my book and does not have shit to do with Martinus Thomsen . this book is available at any online book store so you did not do to much reasearch, and if you slander my name and diffuse me in any way or associate the content of my book with some wacko nutcase i will take legal action to preserve my work. if you would like to find out the truth buy the book or contact me but you better not print this shit.

3 09 2008
Mitchell

My apologies. You can indeed find Awake: The Third Testament on book seller websites. That doesn’t change the fact that I still think you’re crazy. My offer still stands about the elephant repellent. Let me know . . . I can offer you a bulk discount.

Also, my research wasn’t too bad because the post was from 27 December 2007 and according to amazon your book wasn’t published until May 6th, 2008.

4 09 2008
Stran

Hi all,

Hope that Russel is still around. I just did one research a found the a news from reuters (quotations are from that news).

For starters I have some questions:

“Author Russell Hamner calls for the religious body of America to “Awake,”
and form a “National body of saviors,” by uniting one governing body of
elected representatives from all denominations, called “The body of Christ,”
to form “The Kingdom of God.””

First of all who would be the leader of this kingdom?

Second, Why call “The body of Christ” and not of Body of Allah, or of Moses?

Third, Don’t you think that is to similar to communism?

” “With a national religious body, the lower classes would be empowered by
the church…”

Fourth, Could you explain this to me exactly?

“…as well as end the class of the poor by ‘We the People’
injecting billions of dollars into the economy on an annual basis to form an
economy that would not be subject to the booms and slumps of a buy and sell market economy.””

I don’t know if you notice but that already was experimented and ended terrible. It is called communism and in the end it will neither end the class of poor nor the class of rich, it will only shift who is rich. How do you solve this problem?

“”The tithe would be given by our own free will to repair the disparity in
society such as class divisions, poverty, unemployment, pollution, and
national health, acting as a national insurance program, thereby doubling the
government’s efficiency for unseen catastrophic events as well as acting as a
contingency plan against recession and depression.””

Sorry but here you are completly out dated. The tithe that you talk is like taxes and about this you could read about what is social contract…

“”On a national level the foundation could restore the crumbling social
security crisis, provide funding and manpower to solve the immigration
problem, create countless jobs, strengthen the government by relieving it from its social commitment under the faith-based initiative Act, which will reduce Government and minimize taxation, further enhancing the economy.”

You are only shifting the receiver of the money so you won’t enhance any economy. But I suspect, in my humble opinion, that is exactly what you want… About countless jobs, you are utopic at minimum…

“We don’t need a revolution we need a Revelation.”
Are you talking about a “revelation” like: You are only interested in gaining money and power and used beaten up opinions/philosophies, mixed it all up and created what you called a book that you are now desperatly selling?

Hope to read from you…

P.S. “With a firm reliance on Divine Providence, author Russell Hamner…
This one I believe, only with a firm reliance on Divine power can you think that your opinion makes sense…

6 09 2008
Russell Hamner

Jeez ive never dealt with such idiots, communism is a socialist GOVERNMENT OF LAW, your pea brain cant get off of sticking every thing into a government. It would not be communism if you have the federal government, and a national church, i aked you not to post your idiotic interpretation of my material but im going to have some fun raking your ass over the coal. it is funny how morons just ass-ume they know what something is about and give their rancid opinion that has nothing to do with what I have. Let me give you a short summary of how to do research, GET THE ORIGINAL MATERIAL and then give your twitty little opinion. You are so fucking stupid to associate the third testament with AWAKE the third testament, you must be a democrat because you associate every thing with a tag line, and you cant even do that right.

STRAN I did not call it kingdom od allah because i did not find it in the koran, i found it in the bible, something im sure your dumbass knows nothing about. Make sense? I make sense but your pea brain just cant receive it, the economy would be strengthened just as it was with the stimulus package the federal government put out this year so your the dumbass AGAIN. and again social contract? this is religion but again religion is something you know nothing about, if you had read my book you would know that, but you wont read it because you know that if you do you will have to face the reality that you are a twit.

bring it on putos’ because as long as you dont read the material and continue to respond you will keep confirming that you do not have the sense to take the first step in research, and you just keep slapping yourself in the face with your ignorance.

If the both of you did happen to read the book you would see that the constitutionalist used this very power to create the united states of america, in the declaration of independence, and you would see that they left a clause in the tenth ammendment that says ” any POWER not delegated to the united states by the constitution, or denied to the states is reserved to the people.

And you might also find out that it is protected by the first ammendment (something else your pea brain does not understand) which says CONGRESS (that would be the lawmakers for all you dumbasses) shall not make a law respecting the establishment of religion. (which for you igmoes means that congress cant make a law that you have to be religious) NOR prohibiting the free exercise thereof. (for the simple minded this means that they cannot make a law to establish religion, and they cannot make a law prohibiting the free exercise of religion) but you probably thought it means seperation of church and state like your daddy told you.

You have in effect proven that you are a moron from the first step being mentaly incapable of reading the book THEN giving your narrow minded opinion. But then you would not be able to shoot into the dark at the boogyman which is your true object. second this is a new development and as it is with new things i have to wade through the sea of idiots such as yourselves but, oh yea your are insignificant.

6 09 2008
Russell Hamner

Stran,

not only are you a twit but you are also a liar, this is the release here and there is no commentary from reuters, of pr newswire, because you made it up. It really hits home when you put this on a websight whos motto is

The only good is knowledge (this is me)
The only evil is Ignorance (this is you)

Author Russell Hamner presents the final arguments to Karl Marx’ ‘Das
Kapital,’ and Martin Luther’s ’95 Theses,’ In ‘Awake: The Third Testament’

Feb. 21 /PRNewswire/ — Author Russell Hamner
presents new philosophy in “Awake: The Third Testament,” in which he reveals
the biblical science that fuses religion, political and social science,
philosophy, and economics, to establish how power is exercised, and by whom,
in resolving conflict within a society.
Author Russell Hamner calls for the religious body of America to “Awake,”
and form a “National body of saviors,” by uniting one governing body of
elected representatives from all denominations, called “The body of Christ,”
to form “The Kingdom of God.”
Two hundred million Christians unite and contribute (by tithe) to become
the World’s largest financial institution, to resolve America’s social,
political, and economic conflicts, and to stabilize global markets invested in
America.
— Figures: 200 million believers x Avg. tithe $150.00 = $30 billion, x
52 weeks = $1.56 trillion, x 20 years = $31.2 trillion
(Figures do not include donations from 340,000 churches,
philanthropists, big business or government faith-based initiative)

Hamner points out that the problems of a capitalist society come to pass.
When its members stop spending, the economy weakens becoming fragile and
vulnerable.
“With a national religious body, the lower classes would be empowered by
the church and the national tithe to be able to purchase the products created
by capitalist production, such as homes, autos, and furnishings, which would
balance the economy, as well as end the class of the poor by ‘We the People’
injecting billions of dollars into the economy on an annual basis to form an
economy that would not be subject to the booms and slumps of a buy and sell
market economy.”
Versus taxation, which is forced by law, and oppressive.
“The tithe would be given by our own free will to repair the disparity in
society such as class divisions, poverty, unemployment, pollution, and
national health, acting as a national insurance program, thereby doubling the
government’s efficiency for unseen catastrophic events as well as acting as a
contingency plan against recession and depression.”
“On a national level the foundation could restore the crumbling social
security crisis, provide funding and manpower to solve the immigration
problem, create countless jobs, strengthen the government by relieving it from
its social commitment under the faith-based initiative Act, which will reduce
Government and minimize taxation, further enhancing the economy.”
“Awake: The Third Testament” clearly shows that the greatest Philosophers
of all times struggled to find the answers to political, economic, and social
science, but found only communism and revolution because they saw religion as
idealism, and not realism.
From Plato to Aristotle, from Machiavelli to Marx, author Russell Hamner
reveals that “We don’t need a revolution we need a Revelation.”
“With a firm reliance on Divine Providence, author Russell Hamner issues
an open dispute to all philosophers, social scientists, political scientists,
economists, and exegetes,” presented in “Awake: The Third Testament.”
The official release date of the book is May 6th, 2008, and will be
available at any major bookstore.

6 09 2008
Russell Hamner

Dear Idiots

Mitchell, stran

Due to your ignorance which we will now call evil, daddy will now hold the mirror in your face so you can see the poop on it.

United States Federal budget 2008, Http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_federal_budget%2c_2008

Mandatory spending $1.57 Trillion

$608 billion – Social security
$386 billion – Medicare
$209 billion – Medicaid and SCHIP
$209 billion – Unemployment/Welfare

Is this a communist country? do you think that any time the people do something for the people it is communist?

If i were you i would be embarresed to post such ignorance/evil on this sight and thereby PROVE that you are a dumbass, but Im sure this will not embarrass you with an IQ that soars at a record holding 53 you have allready forgotten it.

The plan that I have is in the same realm of President Bushs’ faith based initiative, and also Clintons’ Charitable choice (1996) where the social programs are transferred to the National church from the federal government to keep the United States from becoming a communist counrty.

You posted your comments on this sight and i affirm that the world should fear your ignorance.

6 09 2008
Russell Hamner

Gods’ Will Before Religion:
If you believe that God gave us life in Genesis, and you believe that God freed us in Exodus. Then you can understand that Jesus Christ came to do Gods will, which is to free us and save us. And we should believe him because God raised him on the third day to prove that doing Gods will of giving life with the life you have been given, brings life. And suggests that giving death brings death.
It is Gods’ Spirit to give life and freedom; it is Gods’ will to give life and freedom

If you believe and understand that everything in the law is what is wrong to God, and there is a punishment for it. Then you can see why that it is ok with God to give life, and give liberty because it is what he did himself, and he designed the law to protect life and liberty.

If you believe that it is wrong to give life and give freedom, you denounce your own life and freedom. You can’t say it is wrong to give life or give freedom because then you believe in having your life taken and your freedom taken.

These are the only two events that can be revealed in our reality that cannot be viewed as evil or against the law. It is pure; it does not offend; it is divine.

Government:
Awake then reveals how the Colonist used the very will of God, to free and save The U.S. from death and bondage, and form a nation in the name of God.

Gods’ will is completed, proven and recorded in the Declaration of Independence. They did Gods will and prayed for Independence, and became a nation that gives life and gives freedom.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

This is to say the truth is self evident that their religious beliefs given by God are life and liberty. The only way to happiness is being alive and being free.

That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men,
(deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed.)
This is to say that governments are formed for the protection of our religious beliefs of life, and liberty, and the governed have a say as to their life and liberty.

That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.

This is to say that anytime any form of government becomes destructive to Gods will of life and liberty, it is the right and the duty of the people to abolish it and set a new or conformed government that is not destructive to life and liberty.

And they vowed their lives, fortunes and sacred honor, to save life, and give freedom and happiness to the oppressed. The power of Jesus Christ Awakes!

And for the support of this declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, [Godly Intervention] we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

They proved that doing the will of God brought life, freedom, and happiness, that politics and law are sub-compartments of religion, and religion holds the true power. And from that day it made us the greatest country in the world because they gave life and gave freedom, Gods will.

Critics say, “We don’t mix religion and politics,” scientists say, “Religion is not a science.” I believe that these mind-sets have been instrumental in why we have not discovered what I reveal in “Awake the third testament.”

I have discovered the religious science that has the ability to balance all science
Ø Political science. The main concern with political science is to establish how power is exercised, and by whom, in resolving conflict within a nation.
Ø Social science. The scientific study of the best social plan for society outside of government as a nation.
Ø Economic science. The scientific study of the creation and distribution of wealth and national income to combat depression and economic stagnation.

The science of religion:
This is the science of religion and how it would solve the problematic sciences of political, social and economic science. In the beginning when God saved the Israelites out of Egypt, he instituted the perfect political and religious science that deals with life on earth as a nation.

1. He instituted the government of the law, and appointed Moses as the governor to protect the nation with powers of the military and law.
2. He instituted the Government of Jesus Christ, and appointed Aaron as the governor of the spirit of God, a saving government that is for the welfare of his people with powers of the spirit of life.
He instituted two bodies of power, one to run the law and one to run the kingdom of Christ. And there is a very good reason he instituted two powers, because he knew he also created two types of people:

1. The conservative republican, whose spirit, is to defend his nation, and execute the law to those who choose to take life with the powers that be.
2. The social democrat, whose spirit, is to love his brother in giving him the basic necessities of life out of the powers that be.

Awakes main object is to awaken the two hundred million religious in the U.S. to unite and Form the body of Christ, and bring forth the government of Christ, a National Church that gives life and freedom creating true peace & happiness

“For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the Government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The Mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Of the increase of his Government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The Zeal of the Lord of host will perform this.” (Isaiah 9:6-7)

This would more logically organize the powers. Instead of the social leaders butting heads with the conservative leaders they would be separated, ending the great conflict in Government resolving political science!

1. This would allow the federal government of law to run at 100% efficiency without social issues throwing a wrench into the machinery. They would continue to protect life and freedom.

2. This would allow Christ’s social government to run at 100% efficiency without having lawful issues throwing a wrench in the machinery. They would give life and give freedom resolving social science!

Economics:
In 2008 the federal budget, 2.66 trillion dollars were accumulated in taxation.

In comparison, if the 200 million Christians unite and form the temple/government of Christ, and put the entire tithe in the temple from the 340,000 churches in America it could accumulate 1.56 trillion dollars annually.

In the federal budget 1.52 trillion was spent on social issues such as social security, Medicare, Medicaid, SCHIP unemployment/welfare/other, that was derived by taxation.

Through the faith based initiative put forth by president Bush, all of these social programs could be transferred from the federal government to the government of Christ, eliminating the need for most taxation, or allowing new tax measures such as the fair tax method, which would free up money and increase the economy.

The government of Christ would focus on the main issues that affect the people, by helping the federal government pay down the national deficit, which would increase the value of the dollar, bringing down the cost of energy and commodities.

Slack in demand causes recession and depression, whenever people quit buying for any reason whatsoever the economy stalls. The government of Christ, working with the federal government would then issue billions of dollars in vouchers to the poor for housing, or furnishings, or automobiles. [Whichever market is failing] Saving that market, preventing recession and simultaneously saving the poor, this in time will bring about a wealthy classless society.

It would create millions of jobs and put “We The People” back in control of our own destiny. We would have the financial power of another country inside this country. And it would double the power and efficiency of the American economy, which in time would balance the world economy, resolving economic science.

The greatest philosophers of all times struggled to answer these questions, Plato, Aristotle, Machiavelli and Marx and although they could see all of the elements of socialism and capitalism, law and religion. They could not see how to make it work, and saw revolution, communism and oppression as the end result.
Because they didn’t understand, we don’t need a revolution we need a revelation!

Revelation 10:7 – But in the days of the voice of the seventh Angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he has declared to his servants the prophets.

Revelation 10: 15 – And the seventh Angel sounded: and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord (1) and Of his Christ;(2) and he shall reign for ever and ever.

Awake: The Third Testament “to the mystery of the kingdom of heaven”

“LET US DARE TO READ, THINK, SPEAK AND WRITE.” – JOHN ADAMS, 1765

6 09 2008
Russell Hamner

Mitchell

So IT IS you that has all of the elephant repellant? No thanx

8 09 2008
Stran

Link: http://www.reuters.com/article/pressRelease/idUS237678+21-Feb-2008+PRN20080221

You – “Stran,

not only are you a twit but you are also a liar, this is the release here and there is no commentary from reuters, of pr newswire, because you made it up. ”

Me – “I just did one research a found the a news from reuters (quotations are from that news).”

So who is liar and making up stories? (sorry for the mistakes in my sentences the correct phrase should be “I just did one research and found a news from reuters” ).

No let’s comment:

For starters I will read your book when you give me free access to him. Of course I won’t buy it for obvious reasons. My comment was on the news.

“Mandatory spending $1.57 Trillion

$608 billion – Social security
$386 billion – Medicare
$209 billion – Medicaid and SCHIP
$209 billion – Unemployment/Welfare

Is this a communist country? do you think that any time the people do something for the people it is communist?”

1st Question – Answer: Of course no!
2nd Question – Answer: Of course no!

But that is diferent from what I commented in the news. All of what was there was very similar to the communist system. Even the motto of ending with the poor class was something very typical of communist propaganda.

“In the federal budget 1.52 trillion was spent on social issues such as social security, Medicare, Medicaid, SCHIP unemployment/welfare/other, that was derived by taxation.

Through the faith based initiative put forth by president Bush, all of these social programs could be transferred from the federal government to the government of Christ, eliminating the need for most taxation, or allowing new tax measures such as the fair tax method, which would free up money and increase the economy.”

You have to be clear on this topic. What you are saying is that you would end the social programs from the government, right? And the financing of that programs would be by government budget or that government of christ would be alowed to raise the necessary money? (This is a vital question)

“Slack in demand causes recession and depression, whenever people quit buying for any reason whatsoever the economy stalls. The government of Christ, working with the federal government would then issue billions of dollars in vouchers to the poor for housing, or furnishings, or automobiles. [Whichever market is failing] Saving that market, preventing recession and simultaneously saving the poor, this in time will bring about a wealthy classless society.”

Ok, here you mix a lot of topics making it a nonsense thing that in the end won’t solve anything.

If you “issue billions of dollars in vouchers”, and that vouchers are liquid (I mean the same value of money) you will increase the inflation and will dicrease the value of dollar. In the end people will have a lot of papper with no value, and the economy will fail even more.

But I agree that the government must have a strong social program, but that program cannot be in the hands of religious organizations. That was also experimented in countries like Iran, afeghanistan or in a lesser scale turkey, and you can see the results by yourself.

If you really belive in social programs then take a closer look to european countries and you will see a good example how things can work out, but you have to forget the part of classless society, that was something that only communist thought it was possible.

For now it is all, hope to read from you,

Best regards,

Stran

P.S. Did not you God told you not to swear?!?!?

9 09 2008
Mitchell

Mr Hamner had started to flame the blog with pointless inane insults, so I’ve blocked his IP address.

Which, btw, is: 207.69.139.150

11 09 2008
Russell Hamner

Thanks guys oh, if you really want to block me block it all, you started this crap and when you present me as crazy to the public, saying what the fuck is this, and then cry because you get slammed back, i read your blog you do it to evreybody but you cant take it yourself. that is why your blog has zero entries. if you would have dealt reasonably for long enough to understand, (which you are not trying to do) you might have gotten something else but dribble on this pathetic advendure you call a web sight

15 09 2008
Stran

My dear Russel Hamner,

One thing that you must learn is the difference between “crazy” and “stupid”. And no, I am not calling you stupid but that your idea is stupid.

Another thing that you must learn is that if you want to debate your ideas you must answer the questions that people put to you, and no, insult is not a valid answer.

Also, and this is at least your second time, you must not twist reality, for instance your comment about this blog is not true and completly stupid. I am not Mitchel so at least it has one entry. I know that it must be hard the fact that you wrote a book and when you search on google for the title of your book, this article is the #1 article on that search, making your book less “popular” then this article. But that is life and you can not be always successful. Also it does not help that you have 0 reviews of readers about your book on Amazon.

Having said this, if you want to debate your ideas please be free to answer the question that I wrote here, but if your only intention is to try to sell one or more copies of your book, at least be honest enough to write that.

Hope to read from you,

Best regards,

Stran

29 06 2013
Cari

I came across this page while doing some research on the 3rd testament. I am a Christian, and I want to apologize for people like Mr. Hamner, and those like him whom you may have come across, who have ever spoken to you in such a nasty, condescending manner. I know they’re out there, and I’m very sorry.
Upon my research, I believe that Martinus Thomsen is absolutely crazy. I got the creeps, the more I read. I never, at any point, believed in a 3rd testament, but I was curious.
How coincidental that this vision came to him during a time when there were “waves” of new religious beliefs. He writes that Jesus was ONE OF the “world redeemers”, and that when we get to the point of pure love, everyone will “caress” each other. You (in general) better keep your hands off me!
Also peculiar was how this “vision” of Jesus was in the form of a small statue associated with his religious custom.
Yikes!

8 10 2015
Henry Nold

Hi from Germany. Kinda shocked about what you wrote about the author of a 9000 pages work, “The Third Testament” from Martinus (Thomsen), 1890-1981, Denmark. it is not a cult, a sect or a church – it is the books, the information of the “science of neighborly love”, intended for “humane materialists” – coming from the “cosmic consciousness” from Martinus. It’s knowledge about the eternal laws of the cosmos, if you will, a pantheist philosophy. Please get informed on youtube, on the internet, by books. There’s no proselitizing or membership whatsoever. Purely your own interest involved – or not. In the end, quoting Martinus, “Life itself is our supreme teacher”. We ourselves forge our fate 100% – in all eternity, from lifetime to lifetime. Topics like sexuality, evolution, micro-macrocosmos, the explanation of “evil” (“the unpleasant good”) are put in a detailed way, with ca. 100 symbols, ca. 9000 pages of books and booklets. I have not seen an author, by far, showing the viewpoint of eternity, out of his own consciousness – no bibliographies … . Many “false prophets” around, this one is real. He walked his talk 100 % in his personal live, and followed the example of Christ, as a “man in the likeniness of God”.

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