Top Ten Signs You’re a Fundamentalist Christian

22 03 2008

From Evil Bible.com 

10 – You vigorously deny the existence of thousands of gods claimed by other religions, but feel outraged when someone denies the existence of yours.

9 – You feel insulted and “dehumanized” when scientists say that people evolved from other life forms, but you have no problem with the Biblical claim that we were created from dirt.

8 – You laugh at polytheists, but you have no problem believing in a Triune God.

7 – Your face turns purple when you hear of the “atrocities” attributed to Allah, but you don’t even flinch when hearing about how God/Jehovah slaughtered all the babies of Egypt in “Exodus” and ordered the elimination of entire ethnic groups in “Joshua” including women, children, and trees!

6 – You laugh at Hindu beliefs that deify humans, and Greek claims about gods sleeping with women, but you have no problem believing that the Holy Spirit impregnated Mary, who then gave birth to a man-god who got killed, came back to life and then ascended into the sky.

5 – You are willing to spend your life looking for little loopholes in the scientifically established age of Earth (few billion years), but you find nothing wrong with believing dates recorded by Bronze Age tribesmen sitting in their tents and guessing that Earth is a few generations old.

4 – You believe that the entire population of this planet with the exception of those who share your beliefs — though excluding those in all rival sects – will spend Eternity in an infinite Hell of Suffering.  And yet consider your religion the most “tolerant” and “loving.”

3 – While modern science, history, geology, biology, and physics have failed to convince you otherwise, some idiot rolling around on the floor speaking in “tongues” may be all the evidence you need to “prove” Christianity.

2 – You define 0.01% as a “high success rate” when it comes to answered prayers.  You consider that to be evidence that prayer works.  And you think that the remaining 99.99% FAILURE was simply the will of God.

1 – You actually know a lot less than many atheists and agnostics do about the Bible, Christianity, and church history – but still call yourself a Christian.

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61 responses

22 03 2008
Muse

Let’s just let God’s words do the talking:

1 Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Proverbs 1:7 ¶The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.

1 Corinthians 1:20 Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?

1 Corinthians 1:21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

1 Corinthians 2:5 That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.

I pray that God will impart unto you enough wisdom and faith to understand who he is.

14 11 2009
Meg

I notice no old testament quotation, wonder why. Why not quot Leviticus or Exodus? Why not some of the several quotes stating that every-prayer-must-be-answered, yet i notice your prayer for someone’s belief system to change went unanswered, why? Believe in your God, read your bible, quote scripture without stating it’s importance (a man stating that God has made our logic and wisdom foolish does not prove the man right), but please, do not pray for someone’s belief, save your prayers for something that needs to be done. For tuberculosis ending, for starving peoples, dieing infants and sick elders, for the infants who died in Exodus.

6 08 2011
farmbrough

No, he quoted from Proverbs – that’s an OT book.

13 06 2011
the lord doG

“Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.” (I Timothy 2:11-15)

4 12 2013
cristyparkersmith

This passage is actually about men and their shared responsibility with their wives. Back up and read the entire chapter. It’s saying that men have a responsibility to be leaders and teachers everywhere they go and that their wives should be beside them performing good works while their husbands are teaching.

If you have two people talking at once no one is going to understand what’s being said. You only need one person doing the talking. Besides, the other one probably has plenty to do on her own. Plus, if you’re trying to make an argument for a united front (which is what marriage is supposed to be) then a woman should have her husband’s back and he should have hers. She should be able to trust that he’s got this and she shouldn’t have to interject constantly. (If you don’t trust him to say the right thing why’d you marry him?) Teaching is the MAN’S responsibility. To be the kind of man she can trust to get this done. (Cause seriously, if you want someone to talk about doing something, a man can do that. But if you actually need something done, you get a woman to step in. Not an insult to men. We’re just better at multitasking. We have to be. We’re moms. And at the end of that chapter it even talks about us being mothers.)

If the man is doing his job and he’s a good man then the woman can go on and do good works (get stuff done) while he’s teaching. She doesn’t have to usurp him cause he’s got this. Or he should have it if he’s doing what this chapter is telling him to do. It’s not implying that women are less valuable or intelligent than men or that they don’t have anything valuable to say. It’s saying we’re supposed to be partners because there’s a lot to do and it takes both of us to do it.

Never only read one verse. You won’t understand what’s being said if you do.

6 08 2011
farmbrough

Corinthians isn’t God’s words, is it? They’re letters St. Paul wrote.

28 01 2012
Brad

“Fools despise wisdom and instruction.”

Sums up the whole of religion if you ask me. And it’s from the mouth of the horse.

23 03 2008
Mitchell

First off, thanks for reading/commenting Muse.

Second off, I appreciate and all that you can quote the Bible (so can I) but it’s hardly a way to make an argument. Argumentum ad verecundiam is what it is called (appeal to authority). Just because the Bible says this, and the Bibile says that, does not make it true.

Try a logical argument and I will respond with my own.

23 03 2008
Muse

Mitchell:

This is where you fall short….the word of God is truth. Read and understand this verse…..1 Corinthians 1:20 Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?

Your wisdom is made foolishness by the word of God.

If that is not logical……….well…..there is no logic.

14 11 2009
Meg

How? How is it foolish? How does your God make it foolish? How is the Earth flat because God says? Looking at the bible, all the people dead because of your God, family’s newborn baby, and their livestock, all the children who would rot in hell for cross-dressing on Halloween, all the abused men and woman who would end up in hell for things. If you look at your bible literally, we’re all doomed to hell, aren’t we? If this logical, if a God is true because you say he is, if the word of God in this Bible is true…then I’m afraid, I’d rather follow your devil, or angel, however you see Lucifer.

8 08 2011
JTK

You obviously don’t understand what logic is. There is no need to pretend that you do. Honest people can admit when they don’t know something or make a mistake.

I want you to come back and admit that you don’t understand what logic is, that way you have some incentive to learn.

25 03 2008
Cindi

The bible is not the word of god. It’s written by men, although possibility inspired by communication with God, it’s still only that persons interpretation of what they believe God told them. It was never meant to be a rule book for the rest of humankind to follow for eternity. And since the Bible has changed repeatedly over the centuries, depending on the agenda of who was heading the church and the world at the time, it is illogically to assume that the words of men are the words of god. The ability to quote the bible does not give one wisdom or logic. God gave me the ability to learn from him/her/them directly, I don’t need a book, church or minister to interpret that for me. This top ten listing is one of the best I’ve seen. It’s okay for Christians to believe as they wish, but apparently everyone else must be condemned of they don’t agree.

Sadly those who can quote the bible, rarely understand what the words mean.

25 03 2008
Muse

Cindi,

If you feel condemned….it is the word of God that condemns you not me. I will pray that God will impart unto you “his wisdom” and not earthly wisdom. The word teaches that if anyone lacks wisdom, to pray and God will impart unto them a spiritual wisdom. I leave with you some scripture in response to your post:

2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

Jesus himself told Satan that man does not live by bread alone, but by every word that preceedeth out of the mouth of God.

Proverbs 1:7 ¶The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.

Proverbs 8:5 O ye simple, understand wisdom: and, ye fools, be ye of an understanding heart.

1 Corinthians 1:19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.

1 Corinthians 3:19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.

Colossians 3:16 Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.

I pray that God will touch you in a special way.

7 08 2011
kesus

God spoke to me and told me the old bible is wrong, he told me to write a new, new testament. Allow me to quote this holy scripture

“Those with faith in the old and old only are condemned, unless ye olde faithful repent and accept the new new testament you will be forever cursed and sent to hell, If ye repent and accept the new new testament you shall own the best ferrari and drink margaritas all day”

looks like your wrong muse, its a shame, also God told me your boring.

I hope you understand that I have more legitimacy than you, for you haven’t spoken to God, and I have.

27 03 2008
Mitchell

There will be no special touching on my blog. . . seriously . . . we here at Fear of Ignorance take sexual harassment very seriously, weather by deities or otherwise.

30 03 2008
Muse

Such a perverted mind.

1 04 2008
Stran

Hi Mitchel,

evrything ok with you? I hope I now can be more regular (been blogging mostly on a national blog), and comment more. I will also try to re-re-start Wos.

Well my comment goes to Muse:
Sorry but have you ever eard the voice of God? Or read the word(s) of God? The only piece of evidence of some of the God writings and humans got it lost! So you have no evidence and yet you think that the bible is the truth!

Another question:
“1 Corinthians 1:19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise..”

Isn’t God wise?

And the Final question:

Is it your God allmighty?

1 04 2008
Muse

All sinners who “want” to live a sinful life reject the word of God. They have to…or else they are condemned. By rejecting the word of God…..they can fool themselves and feel good about themselves because if they believe God’s word is not true….they don’t feel condemned. Yes Mitchell, God is “wise”…..if you will read “his word” in context…you would understand that he is referring to the natural man. God says that if any man lacks wisdom….ask…and he will give you wisdom. I will pray on your behalf.

2 04 2008
Stran

First of all:

“All sinners who “want” to live a sinful life reject the word of God. They have to…or else they are condemned.” So what you are actually saying is that by rejecting the word of God a sinner is not condemned. (In your words if they not reject “they are condemned”).

Second, and finnally, you did not yet respond to the question: “Is it your God all-mighty?”

2 04 2008
Muse

Stran,

No….I am not saying that sinners who reject the word of God are not condemned…..that is what you are saying. if you would actually “read” what I said….you would see that I said they fool fool or deceive themselves into thinking they are doing nothing wrong. Again, it is the “word” that condemns one’s conscious…..!

I would be glad to answer your question…but it makes no sense. Is it your God all-mighty…..makes no sense. Are you asking is the God I serve all-mighty…or are you giving reference to “your?” If you can clarify a bit….I will respond.

8 08 2011
JTK

You know quite well what he meant by that question but you pretend otherwise. Why is that? Would anyone capable of responding honestly need to play those games?

Your behavior indicates deception. Why would you need to avoid a question you fully understand if not out of shame?

3 04 2008
Stran

1-You said “They have to…or else they are condemned.” Probably a mistake from your part, but nothing to worry.

2-The God you believe in, is He all-mighty? Can He do anything?

3 04 2008
Muse

Stran,

I know this is a lot of scripture to post, but it answers your first question. You see…people claim to know God (verse 21) but choose not to acknowledge him as deity and his word as absolute truth or else they are condemned.

Romans 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and four-footed beasts, and creeping things.
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 Without understanding, covenant breakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

To answer your second question….the God I serve is All-Mighty…..but there are some things he cannot do. Such as: lie, sin, or change……things his word mentions he cannot do.

14 11 2009
Meg

Wait, thous shalt not kill, killing, murder is a sin, but really, God kills us all, doesn’t he? So, he can sin.

14 08 2011
TMG

Ohhhh, I like that comment there about how your magic being ‘god’ cannot change. Therefore, you’re stating that he is indeed static and not dynamic. Small problem with static beings.
1. Static beings cannot change and as such, would have no ‘reason’ to create anything.
2. Static beings cannot care and as such, would have no ‘interest’ in creating anything.
3. By having no reason and no vested interest, said static being would never, and I repeat NEVER create our universe, would NEVER create humans, and would NEVER (if either of the two previous did somehow manifest) give two shakes of a lambs tail what, if anything, happened to said creations.

Things that can’t change can’t suddenly care one day, then not give a crap the next. They’d have no interest in being worshipped, no interest in causing floods, famines, etc., most certainly could care less about what we did to one another.

Sorry that logic defies you, but your argument destroys your argument. No amount of scripture quoting can alter that.

stat·ic (sttk)
adj.
1.
a. Having no motion; being at rest; quiescent.
b. Fixed; stationary.

So….either gods a liar and can change, or he doesn’t exist. But…you also said he couldn’t lie.

Good luck figuring out how to counter that one.

3 04 2008
Stran

“the God I serve is All-Mighty” and “but there are some things he cannot do”, So he isnt’t All-Mighty. But if he cannot lie how can he say He is All-Mighty?

Also the “Word” of God says:

“30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 Without understanding, covenant breakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death…”

But if God created the Man and Man are evil then God is the an “inventor of evil things”. In His own “Word” is God “worthy of death”?

3 04 2008
Muse

So what you are saying Stran…is that if God could “lie”…that would make him All-Mighty….? if that is what you are saying…..you have no clue “who” God is according to his word. The fact that God can’t lie to you makes him All-Mighty. That is why we have faith in him. It is man who is the liar….do you like people to lie to you? Your thinking and theology is weak. Once again you try to make God’s word conform to your life style…instead of you life style conforming to God’s word.

No…God did not create “evil”….he created man…..man chose to become evil through sin. Sin is disobedience toward God’s will. Read Genesis….you will get the whole story.

8 08 2011
JTK

So there are some things that your god didn’t create?

That means you can no longer call him the creator since he didn’t create everything. You already admitted that he isn’t all powerful.

You are digging yourself into a hole with your ignorance and deception. Lets see some honesty, all right?

3 04 2008
Stran

Probably I am mistaken but what exactly means “All-Mighty”?

I think that you shouldn’t manipulate the “Word” of God. He said “inventor of evil things”. The logic is quite simple “Man does Evil” –» “God created Man” –» “God inventor of evil things”

But by the way who created evil?

3 04 2008
Muse

First let me say I have not in any way manipulated the scriptures…I just quoted them. If you point out where I have “manipulated” the word…I will address that also.

Who created evil….well technically Satan did…..and that is why God cast him out of heaven, but that is outside the theological discussion here:

So lets look at Genesis:

Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
31
And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

So we see that Man was “good” in God’s eyes.

Genesis 2:15 And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.
16 ¶And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

So as the scripture teaches….Satan deceives Eve into eating the “forbidden fruit”….thus by man’s transgressions enters sin and evil. God did create the tree of knowledge of good and evil…..but, that evil would have never entered this world had man not chose evil over good.

7 04 2008
Stran

“Who created evil….well technically Satan did…..and that is why God cast him out of heaven, but that is outside the theological discussion here:”

Sorry but I don’t think so. But how do you know this? Is there any passage in the Bible that tells you that Evil was created by Satan? Or are you just thinking it is like that?

Also important is to know how did Satan appear. Was he created by God or did Satan always existed just as God.

Second and also important, who created the “tree of the knowledge of good and evil”? And why God did not wanted Man to know about good and evil? And why did God forbid Man to eat from this tree?

“Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image…” What do you mean with us? Who is there that is not God?

Finnaly you did not answer what you mean about He being All-mighty?

And also one thing is important to know is if God is the creator of all things that exist.

Hope to read from you soon,

Stran

7 04 2008
Muse

Stran,

We will have to dig into the scripture and take a look at the “pre-adamite world to answer some of your questions.

We see in Ezekiel 28: 11-19 that God did create Satan and Satan acended into heaven to try to be equal with God and God cast him back to earth.

Ezekiel 28:11-19
11 Moreover the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,

12 Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty.

13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.

14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.

15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.

17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.

18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.

19 All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.

In the above passage, we are told that Satan was perfect from the very first day he was created by God until sin and iniquity were found in him as a direct result (according to Isaiah 14:12-17) of pride which came over him because of his power and beauty and importance as the premier angel throughout the universe. Verse 16 continues by saying that Satan was cast out of the mountain or Kingdom of God and banished from the stars of Heaven, and that someday (according to Revelation) he will be cast out permanently, forever. Verse 18 states that Satan and his kingdom subjects worshipped God in sanctuaries or tabernacles which gave Satan the opportunity to slander God through traffick which led to his iniquity, and later, the iniquity of his earthly subjects and a third part of the heavenly angels.

saiah gives us additional information:

Isaiah 14:12-17
12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;

17 That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners? (KJV)

Satan is portrayed as ruler of the nations on earth until he experienced his moral and physical fall. He “didst weaken the nations” through the use of slander against God (cf. Ezek. 28:16-18), eventually corrupting the hearts of all the people on earth and a third (Rev. 12:4, 9) of the angels in Heaven. He even went so far as to incite open rebellion against God, and “ascend(ed) above the heights of the clouds” and “ascend(ed) into heaven” in order to “exalt (his) throne above the stars of God” and “be like the most High.” However, he was quickly and surely “cut down to the ground” by God.

This scriptural passage proves beyond any reasonable doubt that there were nations of people inhabiting earth at the time Satan rebelled against God, and that Satan succeeded in causing them to rebel with him. The phrase, “which didst weaken the nations,” makes this quite clear. Since Satan was already a morally-fallen creature when he tempted Eve in the garden of Eden, this confirms that there was a pre-Adamite civilization on earth sometime before Adam and Eve were told to “replenish” the earth.

That Satan became a morally-fallen creature before the creation of Adam and Eve explains why Hell originally was prepared for Satan and his angels (Matthew 25:41), and why Satan was busy tempting Eve in the beautiful Garden of Eden not very long after Adam and Eve were created.

To sum up….yes…God did create Satan……and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
When God said let “us” create man in “our” image…he was talking to his son Jesus Christ.

God is all-mighty because he created the heavens and the earth and the fullness thereof….he has all power in heaven and in earth.

Muse

8 04 2008
Stran

“God did create Satan”

“30 (…) inventors of evil things…
(…)
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.”

This is just one of the many contraditory theme in the bible. The thought is simple if God created Satan then He was the inventor of the worst evil thing in the universe.

Also God did not created Satan as a uncurrptible thing, thus allowing him to be bad.

Finnaly, if “he has all power in heaven and in earth.” He also would have the power to stop Satan. And also the power to stop the sins, another creation of God.

Another chalenge:

Can he create a stone so heavy that no one, not even God, can lift it up?

8 04 2008
Muse

I don’t follow your train of thought in verse 32….and as for as contradictory themes in the bible….not so. The word of God as we see in: 2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness.God’s word was given by God for man to live by. We will be judged by God’s word when we stand before him one day. He would never give us his word to live by if it was contradictory….and then judge us by that same word. It is man’s interpretation of God’s word that makes it contradictory at times.

Man from the beginning has always been a free moral agent…..and he has given you a way to overcome sin…..through his son Jesus Christ. As for as creating a rock he cannot life….well…we are getting into rhetoric and speculation…..neither of which has a place in this discussion.

8 08 2011
JTK

OK. No more lies, understand? You claim your beliefs are logical and trot out the most obvious circular reasoning and appeals to authority in the history of online religious discussions.

The contradictions in the bible are inescapable for honest people. Only someone who was ignorant of those issues or a complete liar would say what you have said. Considering that in your posts here I see horribly flawed ‘logic’ and several self contradictory claims I can only conclude that you are desperately in need of some understanding of the bible. Please read it. Read it from the beginning until the end. The contradictions are obvious and well known. Biblical authorities, those who study the bible and its history, accept those contradictions because to deny the obvious would make them insane.

Are you insane or merely ignorant?

9 04 2008
Stran

“2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness.”

This means that all scripture is open to correction and interpretation. So everything that church tells is not mandatory (like going to church) not even the dogma.

Everything in this book becomes realative. That is good news. Forget my last question. I don’t intend to prove that God does not exists. It would be disrespectful for you since you seem a very religious person.

But I have a question, in this story how does everything ends?

9 04 2008
Muse

Stran,

“2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness.”

The above verse is saying that God’s word is meant for people to live by…….that a person should fashion their life by the word of God. It is to instruct people how to live and to correct them when they are not living by the word.

The story ends with Jesus Christ returning to earth to claim his church…the Christians…those who have been born again. He will judge everyone according to their deeds. The Christians will inherit eternal life in heaven and the lost or unbelieving will inherit eternal damnation. Remember….God will not be mocked. What he says in his word….he will do.

22 08 2008
Maka

muse … looks like you need some of God’s help with this one. Where did your bible come from? There are many books out there claiming to be the word of God, but none of them really are. All written books came from men. Only one script, as far as I’ve found cannot be destroyed … and that’s the Emerald Tablets. The King James version was from many sources and the reasons are extremely clear. Mass control. Religions rule the lands, not the governments. President Bush claims “God put him in charge.” But I so disagree. Diabold and lies put him in charge … and just because he said it’s so doesn’t make us right or righteous. We are in trouble because of our refusal to align ourselves with the real truth. Religion is not the truth. Go inside yourself Muse, and quit trying to impress people with your knowledge of cherry picked verses that were written out of fear of the unknowing. In one of your own cherry picked verses you have described that God is more than one person!

“Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let US make man in OUR image, after OUR likeness:…”

Just who do you suppose God was talking to? Think Zecharia Sitchin might know something you don’t? There were books before the bible.

BTW … the ten commandments were stolen from the temples of the Egyptians … they were not commandments before the Jews got hold of them, they were Committments! I WILL NOT KILL, I WILL NOT COMMIT ADULTRY, ETC.

22 08 2008
Maka

A second second trial was that the deceased would have to recite a negative confession “when [she or] he descends to the hall of the Two Truths.” In the statement, he or she swore that they had not engaged in specific behaviors while alive. According to Egyptologist Ahmed Osman, one translation of the statement reads:

“Hail to thee, great God, Lord of the Two Truths. I have come unto thee, my Lord, that thou mayest bring me to see thy beauty. I know thee, I know thy name, I know the names of the 42 Gods who are with thee in this broad hall of the Two Truths . . . Behold, I am come unto thee. I have brought thee truth; I have done away with sin for thee. I have not sinned against anyone. I have not mistreated people. I have not done evil instead of righteousness . . .
I have not reviled the God.
I have not laid violent hands on an orphan.
I have not done what the God abominates . . .
I have not killed; I have not turned anyone over to a killer.
I have not caused anyone’s suffering . . .
I have not copulated (illicitly); I have not been unchaste.
I have not increased nor diminished the measure, I have not diminished the palm; I have not encroached upon the fields.
I have not added to the balance weights; I have not tempered with the plumb bob of the balance.
I have not taken milk from a child’s mouth; I have not driven small cattle from their herbage…
I have not stopped (the flow of) water in its seasons; I have not built a dam against flowing water.
I have not quenched a fire in its time . . .
I have not kept cattle away from the God’s property.
I have not blocked the God at his processions. 5

22 08 2008
Maka

Just can’t resist one more comment for Muse.

Webster’s Dictionary:
Muse – in ancient Greek mythology any of 9 daughters of Zeus and Mnemosyne; protector of an art or science

Is the Bible an art or a science?

18 01 2009
Frank

11. You use Biblical quotations in every argument.

5 06 2009
Timmy Gibson

Funny stuff! And honestly … pretty right on as well!

15 01 2010
Joey

I would like to point out something to anyone quoting from the Old Testament…

All of that was made obsolete by the first coming of Jesus.

Romans 8:1-2 “Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life set me free from the law of sin and death. 3For what the law was powerless to do in that it was weakened by the sinful nature, God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful man to be a sin offering. And so he condemned sin in sinful man”

Quid pro quo, everything stated as law under the first covenant (everything in the Old Testament) is worthless as the law of the Spirit of life (the Holy Spirit) takes over, or “sets us free.”

Now, what is to be taken in the New Testament as law is under debate. Some say only the teachings/rebukings of Jesus are to be taken as law under the “New” Covenant.

Secondly, the Word was dictated by God, but it was written by man–who by human nature will corrupt.

2 Timothy 3:16 ” All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness.”

This assertion is hard to accept because of the fact that humans are selfish, illustrated in many places within the Bible as well as outside sources. Whether you’re a Christian or an Atheist, you have to acknowledge that humans have a tendency to selfish thought!

I don’t care how pious, religious, or righteous you claim to be or even are. There will always be a part of ANY human that is focused solely on themselves which causes all writ to be corrupt by bias in some way.

It could be said that the authors of the various books of the Bible had their biases in mind when writing what God dictated to them. They may have 99% truth in there, but that one little percent of bias is what makes the Bible and all other religious, scientific, and literal texts questionable.

Along with selfishness, we were given intelligence. We use this intelligence to question. Denial or repression of this curiosity is madness.

Therefore, base your thoughts on what you see around you, not what others tell you what you are supposed to see around you.

While I don’t endorse this verse, it does have a message that sums up my thoughts on this matter.

Romans 1:19 “For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.”

I don’t believe in God because some pious idiot told me to believe in Him. I believe in Him because of what I see around me. Nothing that humanity has offered as a reason outside of the realm of an intelligent creator to explain the universe and life as we know it seems at all possible.

For example, let’s talk about the Big Bang theory.

The Big Bang Theory states that the universe came to the state as we know it now over 13-14 billion years. It claims that the initial explosion, which caused a massive acceleration and dispersion of the universes particles, was started from a singularity composed of degenerate matter that just happened to reach an unstable point. Now, that’s all fine and good, but here’s my question: Where did the degenerate matter come from. There would have had to have been something that created it. And, under our current theory of the conservation of mass and energy “No mass or energy is either created or destroyed, only changed.” So… again I ask, where did that matter come from?

Oh, and if you would like to use the argument of virtual particles created on the event horizon of black holes, I have another question for you: Where did the mass required to create and sustain those black holes come from?

Everyone is open to their own interpretation of the universe and it’s creation and for if there is a God or not, as for me, I believe in the God that I see from the created wonders of this Earth because it is only reason I have seen so far that hasn’t been proven false. That’s not to say that my belief is absolutely 100% true, but it does mean that in line with the other explanations, mine comes out to be “more” valid.

There are many other failed explanations that I can get in to, but honestly, I’m boring myself.

If you would like to talk anymore, feel free to email me at Link11206@gmail.com. I don’t care what you believe, and if you have a good explanation for why something else is a better explanation than mine, I have time to listen.

14 08 2011
TMG

If everything needs a creator as you’re claiming, where did said creator come from? Man created god to answer questions that we’ve got no answer for, that is all. That is all ALL gods throughout history have been created for. Just because the human brain doesn’t have the capacity to grasp concepts such as the infinite and cannot visualize existence without some sort of timeline, doesn’t make it any less so. Just because you (and billions of others) can’t comprehend that the universe does not follow the limited linear constructs that our minds weakly grasp at bears not the necessity to flail your magic hocus pocus fairy tale book around acting like you know what gives. You don’t, you won’t, and guess what?! It doesn’t matter. We exist, that is all. Such is the problem of those who need their egos stroked and soothed into thinking that we’re all some ‘special magical beings.’ Naw, we’re just a random pile of energy that was chaotically and randomly given the ability to have self aware thought processes. Nothing special at all.

31 01 2010
Lupe

Is “Muse” short for “Amuse”?

Because that’s sure what his/her comments did to me, especially since they all sound like my own mother, who condemned me to her version of hell: forcing me into 18 years of Christianity.

While I admire those who follow the morals and values (which my husband and I follow devotedly), the Bible as a sole source of guidance is foolhardy at best.

As a writer and former student, I dedicate much of my free time to researching subjects, gathering information and cross-referencing different sources. I will quote one of my teachers from high school on regards to a research paper:

“Be sure to include 5 sources; three of these may be internet-based and reliable, and the remaining two must be from a different format, such as a book or magazine.”

Why did my teacher do this? Simple: One source will never have every answer. Therefore, I currently own a Bible AND a copy of the Tao TeChing (a Chinese book of poems on moral living). I plan to soon purchase a copy of several other “religious” texts to further my own spirituality.

And to react in such a way against one who you do not know is very non-Christian-like and, in turn, whatever your own version of karma is (martyrdom, is it?) has dealt you with backlash and disrespect, even from your own “people.”

On a lighter note, Mitchell, you hit the sweet spot on that one. I love this list and it truly describes the “Christians” I’ve known in my life, Christians that caused my relationships with long-time friends to shatter just because my husband and I don’t believe in an out-dated text.

Muse, I will “pray,” as your people call it, that you see a psychiatrist very soon. 🙂
I mean, that’s what Christians say, right?

10 05 2010
MikydBvy4

Good way of thinking. I like it. Thanks for posting

25 10 2010
Scott

This list is awesome. Just plain awesome. I love #3…

27 01 2011
Jorstin

I’m sorry, but I refuse to believe a book that was completely re-written, and completely mistranslated! If you knew anything of the Bible, then you would know that what has gone into the Bible has been gone through so many times. So many scriptures have been taken out, and put in, as seen fit by rulers seeking to control the population! It’s a known fact! (seriously, do some research) On top of that, why would you even take it as the true word of God?! What I wish to know is, WHERE IS YOUR PROOF?! Honestly! Where is your proof that the book that you, your friends, your family, your neighbors, and so many others worship is actually truth?! And you can’t tell me that you know its the truth by quoting the Bible itself! That’s like saying “The Blair Witch Project” was a true story/documentary JUST because it says it is! in fact, I’d believe that more than a document that is so old, that it speaks of talking trees, women literally being made from the rib of a man, or the fact that someone magically arose from the grave! If that kind of stuff really happens in this reality, why have I, nor anyone else not on drugs, seen this stuff happen?! Again, my challenge is that you answer me this WITHOUT quoting the Bible, because in my opinion, the Bible is fake, therefore it would be a very crappy argument on your part to repeat to me fake quotes to try to convince me the truth.

22 03 2011
BigDC

You know what I find very interesting, is that when you have a conversation with a non-believer of the Bible with someone that does believe (or someone you think is a believer), the non believer will express their views and present their evidence, then after the believer expresses their views and presents their evidence, immediately the non believer will personally attack the believer, they will tell the believer that they are a hypocrite, idiotic, misinformed, unintelligent, they will lump ALL Christians into the same group of people who claim to be Christians that do things the Bible tells you not to do.

I find it strange that when a non-believer says the Bible is false, contradictory, misinforming, a fairy tale, etc, etc. the methods they use to prove this are just the scriptures themselves read completely out of context and/or leaving out other scriptures that may go along with it, and/or they will use information from sources that have already been proven false by the exact same sources themselves throughout time, and/or their own personal words and assumptions. But when a believer says the Bible is true they will use the scriptures read IN context ALONG with the other scriptures read IN context, and/or information from sources that the non believer’s sources could not prove were wrong or false but proven true and accurate. And for everyone that wants to know what sources I am referring to, look them up yourselves, too many to name and they are readily and easily available to find out if you really, really want, need, or think should be known or shown.

On contradictions of the Bible, the thing that I see from non believers about the Bible is how they cannot understand; themselves, what they claim to have read and then claim are contradictions. Such as, a non believer says the Bible itself makes claims that God is the ONE TRUE God, the FATHER of all, the ALMIGHTY, LAW ABOVE ALL OTHER LAWS, the CREATOR of ALL things, and the ULTIMATE and FINAL AUTHORITY of mankind, earth, and everything that may be in or out of the universe, with NO OTHER authority above him, etc, etc,. Then the non-believer say the Bible claims says God gives a commandment to mankind not to kill, but then God gives an order to an individual or groups of people to go kill a person or persons with or without any explanation of why, and the non believer believes things like this are contradictions. But in fact they are not. How? Simple, it is an exercise of God’s ULTIMATE AUTHORITY, just like a parent uses with their children. A parent is the ultimate authority of their children. Say a parent has several children, the parent can tell all the children to not watch television with or without an explanation, and it does not have to make sense to the children nor do they have to understand it. Because the parent is not under the children’s authority but the children are under the parent’s authority, more times than not the children will understand exactly why they cannot watch television and it is usually because of the some events that has lead up to the parent saying no. But even if they don’t understand why, they still cannot watch it because the parent did say no. Now at the same time, the parent can also tell one or more of their children that they CAN watch television, with or without explaining why or giving reason, because of the parent’s ultimate authority over ALL of their children. This does not make this a contradiction; it makes it an exercise of one’s ULTIMATE authority.

Now with this being said about the parent being the ultimate authority over their children and what they can make their children do or not do, there are things that the parent cannot make their children do and there is things the parent cannot do to their children, simply because they are NOT the FINAL AUTHORITY! What!!? Example, a parent being the Ultimate authority cannot just up and kill their children just because they want too. Why, because we have laws in our countries that are a higher authority then the parent’s authority is over their children on what they can or cannot do to their children, and if a parent does these things, they will face the punishment of those authorities laws, in the LAWS OWN TIME FRAME, because we as a people grouped together and in a majority agreed that it would be as such, that’s why. But, if God, whom is the ULTIMATE AUTHORITY OF ALL with NO OTHER AUTHORITY above him, tells a parent to kill his children, God can order it so without giving any explanation why, or for it to even make sense, simply because GOD’s Authority IS above ALL others and NONE is above him. Now that does not mean the parent will not face mankind’s authority, because the parent will, and the parent will face mankind’s authority’s punishment. So why would a parent have to face mankind’s authorities punishment if they did what God’s authority told them to do? Simple, the Bible says that man must live under God’s Authority first and foremost and with NONE above his, second man lives under mankind’s authority with it being UNDER God’s, and while man is under God’s first and mankind’s second, man still will have to answer to mankind’s authority if we disobey it even if we obey God’s. But only if God ALLOWS us to be punished by mankind’s authority, which he may or may not do, but that decision is his and his alone with NO OTHER above his. But man WILL always be under God’s authority NO MATTER what mankind’s authority says to do. That is why.

So from these paragraphs, it should be easy for anyone to clearly see that if God is the Ultimate and Final Authority with none above him, that NO MATTER what he says or does and no matter what he tells us to say or do, God is 100% correct and just, without ANY contradiction or any hypocrisy.

But ultimately, I think A LOT of non-believers of the Bible have a problem with this ULTIMATE FINAL AUTHORITY of GOD with NO OTHER above him, because it says that whatever God says or does, or tells us to do, is absolutely 100% right and just, and no-one else CAN or has a say otherwise. Why, because non-believers think that believers will say that WHATEVER believers themselves say and think about the Bible is 100% correct, truth, and just, because of God’s Ultimate and Final authority. Thus giving believers excuses to do and say whatever they want to whomever they want whenever they want and however they want. The problem with this is it is simply not true. The Bible DOES NOT give believers an “ALL ACCESS” passes on how they live their life, their speech, treat others, and their actions. But in fact, the Bible puts a CONFORMITY and RESTRICTION on how believers SHOULD and MUST act, think, talk, live, treat others, and such. But it is those people who claim they are believers, and do horrible and evil acts such as hate, violence, destruction, death, and other acts that are forbidden by the Bible, and do them in the name of God/Jesus/Bible and claim that is how all believers should or do act, it is this which cause non-believers to lump all that claim to be believers into one category of being the same. But in the process of the non-believer lumping everyone that claims they are believers (even those who claim they are believers and do such horrible evils acts) into the same category, the non-believer does exactly the same things and actually becomes worse than the ones committing the acts, simply because the non-believer has already stated that they; themselves, know it is wrong to treat people the way they say believers do, but non-believers will treat all that claim to be believers this way themselves anyways. The non-believers are doing exactly the same things to others that they are complaining about themselves. Fortunately, NOT ALL who claim to be believers go against the Bible’s teachings, MANY follow them correctly, these are the true believers. Or in other words, these are the Christians. Anything less from anyone else, they ARE NOT Christians, only mere imitators with no real merits! Mankind judges Man on his actions and words alone, because he does not know Man’s heart. But God judges Man on his intentions along with the actions, knowing what is in Man’s heart. Looking at it from that standpoint, we can see that there CAN and WILL BE FLAWS in Mankind’s Judgment because Mankind does not know the heart of man, but God does. And knowing Man’s heart, along with Man’s intentions and actions, God’s judgment IS JUST and FAIR! So it is not for a non-believer to say that a person who claims they are a believer that they are not doing what the Bible claims they should do, but it is God alone who will make this ASSESSMENT and JUDGEMENT. Man can be tried and convicted and punished in Mankind’s courts for his actions and words if God so chooses to allow it, which in many of cases he does. But Man WILL NEVER escape God’s judgment and punishment for what Man does, thinks, says, or acts, and etc, etc. And this judgment and punishment will come at and when ONLY in God’s time and God’s time alone.

So if the Bible is not real, fact, accurate and 100% truth, then the non-believer has nothing to fear from a true believer (a true believe r as described above) who claims it is. Yet the non-believer will expand so much of their energies and resources, trying to prove that it is not. A person, who does not believe that something is not real or it is false, usually leaves it alone and walks away from it, never giving it a second thought. But it is only when they KNOW something is real, and that they FEAR the very thing they know is real, and BECAUSE of THIS VERY FEAR of it and for whatever reasons, that is when they will fight so hard against it, trying to disprove and/or discredit it.

8 08 2011
JTK

When a person’s opinions are hypocritical they should be called on their hypocrisy. When a person’s opinions are idiotic or misinformed they should be called on that too.

Your claims don’t have a basis in fact. Nobody claims that all christians are hypocrites because one is.

I find it strange that believers need to misrepresent the problems nonbelievers have with their beliefs.

As for the rest of your diatribe, tl:dr.

Please study the works of Bart Ehrman or any other biblical scholar. You will find that those who actually study the bible disagree with you. Why is it that believers who study the bible deeply disagree with you? Could it be that you are wrong, ignorant of the issues?

As for your last paragraph, nothing could be further from the truth. You know Thor isn’t real, but now in order to not be a hypocrite you have to accept that you actually believe in Thor and are afraid of him. Please try to understand why that makes you a hypocrite before you come back and pretend you aren’t a hypocrite.

4 06 2011
Blade

Did you know that there are wizards who fly broomsticks and all learn how to do magic in a big castle-school? Where’s my evidence you ask? A book written by someone I don’t even know, but will believe blindly regardless of the fact that I have never spoken to or heard them.

7 08 2011
Codrut Nistor

Muse, the simple fact that people like you exist proves there’s no god – at least not the way you see it, the almighty one who created us from dirt, who gives a fuck about how we get laid or what we do on Sundays. Can you at least try to think outside the bible? What would one man be if born and risen in the middle of the desert, without any information regarding religion??? Wouldn’t that man be perfect? Oh, such dreams…

8 08 2011
FollowerOfBobb

You know, I just read a book, written by a bunch of drunk back-woods guys (did it on a lark). They have no formal education, they don’t really get out in the world, but they are positive that Bobb the armadillo is the all powerful God. Not only that, their book tells me this is so. It states that he is all powerful, all knowing, and chooses to let everyone make their own mistakes. Apparently he feels that that is your right. Even more, Bobb has armadillos everywhere as proof of his existance. He put forth creatures in his own image (literallly this time) so we would know the face of God. Gee… there’s a book, there’s boolian logic, I can use this book as my sole source of support for all my arguments, and this will make me right and everyone else wrong. The book contradicts itself from chapter to chapter, but that doesn’t matter, I believe. All Praise Bobb. I don’t have to use any sources other than the words, I believe. Bobb is real because the book says he is. The book is real because it talks about my God Bobb. Bobb is real because my book says he is… Ad Nausium. It is not the burden of the non-believer to prove that a faith is incorrect or lacking. It is upon the believer to prove without a doubt the validity of their claim to others. If you cannot use a source that isn’t outdated by 2000 years (forgetting of course that you are quoting from something like the 50th edition [ever played Telephone?]) there is not a valid basis of proof. Physical proof, Factual evidence, Scientific Data. These are the foundation of proof, by any definition. At the time of the Bible, there were tales written down about the Fae, the Earth Mother, and other quite valid myths, religions and beliefs. Those books and tablets still exists today. People still believe in them. The unknown something in the dark is a fear and belief older than mankind. I would say that more poeple believe in that than any religious Gnostism. Don’t quote me from the bible, I can quote you from Grimm’s Fairy Tales. They have just as much validity to most of the world, and I would argue that Grimm had better morals to his stories.

10 08 2011
Niva2gr

Ok, God created the Universe. But where did God come from? Who created him?

13 08 2011
Really?

Anyone else find Muse’s name completely ironic?

muse /myo͞oz/
Verb: Be absorbed in thought.
Noun: An instance or period of reflection.

17 08 2011
gern

If God really did exist why not just come out say “Hey, I’m here. Be nice to each other or I’ll fuck you up?” This mystery and “have faith” bullshit further enforces the hoax argument.

24 07 2012
Fox

Guys there is no evidence for god that can’t be explained by several other methodologies. Find a proof that Horus or Isis doesn’t exist or any other ancient god then apply it to your god and realize he doesn’t exist either and move on with your lives.

11 03 2013
Anon

You are all idiots.

23 04 2013
Athlon

^^^^ this
also if some random guy with a beard and a white robe began preaching to the world about being Jesus, how many Christians would call him a heretic and send him to an insane asylum? Every. Single. One.

15 06 2014
IAMTHATIAM

GOD IS A POEM, A POINT OF VIEW, A WAY OF SEEING THE REALITY THAT IS SO OVERWHELMING AND FULL OF POTENTIAL. NOT ALL CHRISTIANS ARE IGNORANT. UNFORTUNATELY FUNDAMENTALISTS SEEM TO BE THE ONLY EXAMPLES OF CHRISTIANITY THAT atheists/agnostics CITE IN TERMS OF BEHAVIOR AND PHILOSOPHY. NOT ALL PEOPLE IN THE WORLD BELIEVE IN GOD THE WAY A FUNDAMENTALIST BELIEVES.

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